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backs. we always have. g war rages on in mexico, firearms continue to flow across the border, and the body count continues to rise. >>so we're currently back at the csi headquarters where they're unloading the latest victim of gun violence in a seemingly endless drug war that has claimed the lives of more than 47,000 people in the past four years.
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>> i'm michael shure in the war room. you can't please everyone. a notion that the president tried his level best to prove in last night's state of the union address. [ ♪ theme ♪ ]
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>> today, president obama took his second term show on the road preaching his message of jobs and progressive ideals in one of the hardest hit places in america, a factory floor in rural away alicia. he laid out a plan to create manufacturing hubs in similarly distressed areas across the country. >> i'm calling on congress to help us set up 15 institutes, global centers of high tech jobs and manufacturing around the country. >> clearly, this is the president's new game plan, plus a firmly progressive agenda back by smart economic solutions and dare republicans to challenge him. that is what a two-term president with a mandate looks like. here he is pushing climate change using the republicans own rhetoric. >> i urge this congress to get together pursue a bipartisan
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market based solution to climate change like john mccain and joe lieberman worked on a few years ago. >> it may have been good enough for mccain and lieberman but not today's lunatic congressional republicans, many who are sh. caller: lls of the fossil fuel industry. the president was challenged today: >> here's why. in the past five years barasso has received $5 million from the facile fuel industry. 90% of the time, he voted in their interest. very helpful senator. he sits on both the senate energy and environmental committees. faced with that kind of opposition, the president says if he has to, he'll by pass congress and issue an executive action. >> if congress won't act soon to protect future generations i
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will. i will direct. [ applause ] >> i will direct my cabinet to come up with executive actions we can take now and in the future to reduce pollution prepare our communities for the consequences of climate change and speed the transition to more sustainable sources of energy. >> the president did the same on another big progressive issue raising the minimum wage, beating the republicans to the economic punch. >> here's an idea that governor romney and i actually agreed on last year. let's tie the minimum wage to the cost of living so that it final becomes a wage you can live on. >> the republican presidential candidate may have backed the idea but that didn't stop the rest of the party from jumping all over the president. everyone from john boehner to marco rubio called raising the minimum wage a job-killing measure. it's 2013, come up with a new
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routine for punishing the middle class, please. >> finally gun control the president told congress in no uncertain terms that he expected them to take action. >> each of these proposals deserves a vote in congress. if you want to vote no, that's your choice, but these proposals deserve a vote. because in the two months since newtown, more than 1,000 birthdays, graduations anniversaries have been stolen from our lives by a bullet from a gun. >> now, he didn't say which way they should vote, and just taking a vote is no guarantee gun safety measures will pass. progressives are concerned about whether the president's words will create real change. some are upset that he did not pike it clear that he would not allow any cuts to programs like medicare. he didn't even mention drones. if he's made the far left and
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most of the right angry maybe he's on to something. joining me now is charlie pierce. he joins us from newton, massachusetts. charlie, welcome back into the war room. >> hi, michael hang on one second. i feed that. >> well done, well done. been preparing it all day i'm sure charlie. >> prop gag are you kidding? >> literally watergate. how about that? they will me what did you think overall of this speech no i thought it a really compelling speech in both about policy but really about politics. >> yeah, i was very taken, first of all he has me every time he uses the hard and necessary work of self government. that line just plays me. i was very taken by the refrain of essentially telling congress to do its job look, vote on this stuff. i that the to was very
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compelling. i thought it was a message that was aimed less at the congress than the people out there pointing out saying hey you guys out there may not agree with me, but let's debate, let's vote on these things. >> did you sense this was a different president obama than we would have seen in say his third state of the union? i'm just picking one of his four out of the hat. do you find it a little different than the president we've seen before congress? >> yeah, i think that the campaign was a real revelation to him as to the complete lack of commitment by the republican party to any concept of a safety net at all, and more to the point a complete add vocation of the republican party to be a responsible opposition party. i honestly think before the presidential campaign, he still had in the back of his mind that he was going to be able to find enough reasonable people to get something done. i think watching the campaign and watching the creature that the republican party created out of mitt romney in order to get the nomination i think the
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final scale fell from his eyes. i think that's why you saw a relatively combatable election night speech as election night speeches go, a very pointed inaugural address and last night a policy laden progressive agenda. >> i want to go to that, charlie. thecededure the republicans created in mitt romney, while it was what it was they also created a creature out of barack obama. i think that's what they were looking at last night someone angry, someone who is a candidate rather than a president. i said that yesterday. i really felt that's what we saw last night. i'm wondering if the president was able to appeal to his progressive base enough. i mentioned at the top that he didn't talk about drones. he didn't get into specifics about a lot of his social programs though he brought them up. do you think it was on guns especially and on social programs progressive enough? >> i think on guns, it barely cleared the bar. i think certainly the minimum
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wage and universal pre-k. are very progressive proposals. as a member of the president's progressive base, i was profoundly and also as somebody who spent the last five days before the election in florida profoundly disappointed that the best he can don oh improving voter rights and fighting voter suppression is another bipartisan commission, it's where you put things and forget about them for 20 years. he hired ben ginsburg, a glorified election thief. >> ben ginsburg you're not going to get any progress on the issue. >> the other problem of course is that the real problem with voter suppression isn't in washington. it's not states. the only way to get around it is to get rid of the republican
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governors. the way it's gerrymandered it's going to be hard to do. hanging on by a thread in front of the supreme court in two weeks, for him to come up with nothing better than a bipartisan commission which will meet for self times and pros nothing that anybody has to pay attention to, i thought that was the most disappointing part of the speech for me. >> although i'm going to counter you and get bit there and say i totally agree with your complaints about it. the fact that it was talked about and the fact that these people, he was talking about it in front of the congress that is going to approve justices and circuit court judges, where these matters ultimately going to end up, i think there is some resonance to his point there. this is a state issue. if you hear the president talking about it, it's a little like the social issues, gay rights and gay marriage. when you hear the president saw it, it means a little more. we haven't heard from president
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obama on that issue. i give him a little slack on that, maybe a little too much. do you think the president is expecting too much from congress? he is asking for these things, expecting executive action. is he expecting too much and what will the executive action going to be? >> i'm not sure what he can do by check action. i think he was aiming over the heads of congress to the people saying this is what i want to do and these guys in front of of me and the very sleepy guy behind me won't do it. these are things that are the living definition of died in committee. they really are. he's not going to get a minimum wage hike out of this republican house. the purpose of the speech is that this is the stuff that by the way, as the leader of my party, which will continue to carry on thify for these things, this is what we want to do for you and captain get a vote on
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them. on the executive action, the courts have left it open for the e.p.a. to regulate carbon as a pollutant. that's the big hammer that republican conspiracy theories are all circulating around now. he can order that, i assume. there are things he can do. everything he does by check action, he's going to have every republican in the house in the distance. >> that's the big problem with executive action. he wants to hold back on it as much as possible. i love what you said about who he was talking to. i also think and want to hear if you agree, he was talking about 2014 last night saying here's all the things i'm going to put out there. i'll remind you that i put these things out and look who voted against them, the minimum wage, against gun laws and would be the hear about universal background checks. don't you think he's setting the republicans up in a way isn't this just chess game politics?
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>> i think so. one of the great criticisms of him in the wake of the 2010 debacle, he did not get out and campaign enough for congressional candidates that year. martha coakley wasn't the greatest candidate in the world. i think if you want the president to come to your district and campaign for you i think he'll get on the plane and show up. >> the difference might be that you want the president to come out. there were some who didn't want the president at that time. martha coakley didn't even seem to want the senate seat. that's another story entirely. the president made it sound like it was just normal to be up there in the well of congress talking about gays and lesbians in the state of the union. we haven't heard this before. has this rhetoric changed dramatically already in this one administration or do you think this is something we should always expect right now? >> i've watched it at length since the goodrich decision in
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massachusetts. the first impression i got in the months and years of a the decision up here was how absolutely stark the generational divide was on this issue. for my kids, i had a daughter in grammar school at the time, and she's in college but the young people didn't care about this stuff anymore. it was part of daily life. yes, this is my classmate and these are her two mothers. ok fine, let's go have a play date. it didn't count for them. it takes a while for the political system to catch up. i think the very fact, i don't want to say normalize because that's what will riley says, the fact that it is unremarkable to discuss this in our politics is a huge change in the politics and it happened very quickly. >> it is very refreshing, even heard him talk about it referring to military families. that's a double cammie.
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charlie pierce, i could sit here and talk to you all day long, but i'm afraid i can't. please come back soon. we thank you for being on the show. >> you're welcome. >> that we move to a story we won't stop talk about. that story is guns. since sandy hook elementary school, many more americans have died from gun violence, about 68 newtowns since new town. one is a 9-year-old shot monday when a man randomly opened fire on cars with a handgun. her mother was wounded. she held her dying son in her arms until an ambulance arrived. he loved math and science and wanted to be an astronaut. it's been 61 days since newtown.
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1784 deaths and counting. this has to change.
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michael: during last night's state of the union the president served the american people a hearty progressive sandwich stuffed with blue meat by creating a 21 century jobs economy, mitigating climate change and raising the minimum wage and pushed republicans to get with the program on issues like a bill to help homeowners with underwater mortgages. >> democrats and republicans have supported it before, so what are we waiting for? take a vote and 10 me that bill. michael: so how does he actually plan to get those things past congress? to answer that and more, i'm joined by christine pelosi who was in the chamber last night. she chairs the democratic women's caucus. what was it like for anybody
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who's never been to a state of the union address? >> it was absolutely electric. the state of thedown address as you know is constitutional with, so thereof people tend to be for the most part on their best behavior. they become part of history. people were so excited just to be there. i had a very interesting seat. now you were sitting in the bleachers, and everybody's literally practically on top of each other. i was sitting next to mark kirk, senator kirk's occupational therapist on one side. >> sounds like a real mixed bag. >> very conservative fellow. in front of him was ted nugent. to the left was an lbgt activist. >> everybody is to his immediate left. >> everybody but ted nugent stood up and applauded at times. for all the hype, people were behaved, they understood that this is a very serious moment in the time of our country and
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people were owe he oh in fact, the the one person who got in trouble from security was actually a fellow doing raise the roof when the president was doing things he liked. he said who knew, in this section. >> was somebody actually escorted out. >> well, he was encouraged to keep quiet. >> talked to. ok good, good. i will get into the nitty gritty of the speech in a second, but the idea of i saw two different speeches first the typical regular state of the union address we're accustomed to hearing, and then it moved into the gun conversation. it seemed as if it was a sort of a sacred moment. it was hushed, nobody was talking, and then he got everybody going when he started saying they deserve a vote. i just found it really moving and i was sitting here watching. what was it like inside?
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>> it began before the speech about 6:00, leader pelosi, a.k.a. mom had guests. michael: were you pushed to the back there, as well. >> well, i got to eat had dinner. we were all so excited to be there, we were wearing green ribbons, the color of sandy hook school. there were people there from newtown, a young girl who dances abthree little girls from her dance studio went to sandy hook and were murdered. it was powerful. to see these victims of gun violence and survivors of gun violence connecting before the speech the ribbon really meant something. when they took that energy into the room, you knew at some point the president was going to say something. i was glad he did the economics first. michael: yeah. >> because we were really reaching higher ground. we started with a 102-year-old
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who wayed to vote. it started with the right to vote. he said speaking of the right to vote we need to reduce gun violence and that deserves a vote. the way he tied us as citizens and the right to vote and the right to have our voices heard and then demanded that congress vote on our rights and on our concerns, that's part of what made it so powerful. to be perfectly honest, after the first they deserve the right to vote, there was such an outcry in the room, i didn't hear the cities that he mentioned. >> most people didn't hear gabrielle giffords's name. he said mark kelly, gabrielle giffords and mark kelly. he said gabrielle giffords deserve as vote. nobody could hear it. it was at that point a din of i think really excited people. >> people knew that she was there, we had seen her before she went in. she has never looked stronger and i've known her since her
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first run. she's come a long way from when she was shot. she really was very, very strong and with the family there and so it was very exciting. it was one of those moments. it was a happening. it wasn't that it was a cheer. michael: right. >> it came from owe oh he. michael: it felt that way. i don't want to compare it to any other speech, but felt like some of the great american speeches you heard and at the end built to a crescendo and was very poignant. let's talk about the reality which is unfortunately where we have to go with it. he laid out a real progressive agenda in some ways last night. you know some of those things are not going to get through congress. what do you feel about the legislative action that's going to be taken on the things the president brought up yesterday? >> well, we have a new standard. >> yes. >> when the republicans decided they were going to make barack obama a one-term president.
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michael: right. >> on inauguration, the new standard you need 60 votes to govern. now apparently the new standard is 70 votes. the house says we'll see what the senate does, so unless the senate can clear something 70 votes, they don't feel the need to pass it in the house. >> chuck hagel, they have the 60 votes, but we're not really ready to have a vote yet. we're going to wait a few days. >> those are atmospheres. when it comes to the economics they're going to have to deliver something. mid elections we knew people could come from out of nowhere. once you have a do-nothing congress citizens think if you're not doing anything, i can go there and not do something too. if they don't do something they'll be fired and likely primaries in some of those seats. that's how we won some of those seats. they will have to do something. the revenue stuff they can get
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done. they can solve a problem and avoid the sequester taking the deal from the president numbers from summon simpson-bowles. i think you'll see help for homeowners because so many districts are underwater. michael: you think they're going to get the $9 minimum wage? >> they'll attach it to something bigger and we'll make it too hot to handle for them. the speaker is wrongly advised. michael: right. >> because the information they gave him today was that it hurts jobs, but that's actually not true. michael: they think anything this president does economically is a job-killer, especially this minimum wage. when you learn the minimum wage for tipped if that is is $2.13 it abeen that way since 1991,
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because these republicans in congress have had the restaurant lobbies in their back pocket all the way. i think just hearing it from a president with specifics it's the first time i remember hearing a specific non-dollar minimum wage increase. it's refreshing to hear that you think there's a chance to get it through. >> we can. we can. we have to do it, we the people have to do it. >> tell me about voting rights. char lee pierce was just on, a little skepticism. >> i think when it comes to bipartisan commissions we usually delegate away the hard stuff. we don't understand the intricate details. we're not going to delegate democracy. this is going to be the most crowd-sourced commission that
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you've ever seen. everyone is an expert in voting, because we train ourselves. we know what this issue is, and i don't think it gets delegated away. i think the commission will be watched carefully. the action will be in the states. you'll see a push for a national at least a federal no excuses absentee ballot like for the military and overseas voters. those are the kind of things that congress will be pushed on, that this commission will have a very very closely watched expert group of people. michael: i'm certain they will. i hope there were five supreme court justice who were just watching and listening to you. come back as much as you want on to the war room, ok? >> thank you. michael: up next, our this is the on the immigration debate. we'll get them from an undocumented immigrant. that's next in the war room. >> on my next show, fashion
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savant carson kressley goes from dancing with the stars to dishing with moi, on say anything.
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>> leaders from the business, labor, law endorsement, faith communities, they all agree he that the time has come to pass com presencei immigration reform. let's get this done. send me a comprehensive immigration reform bill in the next few months and i will sign it right away and america will be better for it. michael: that was president obama urging congress last night to finally pass immigration reform, but the devil is in the details. today, the is that the held its first hearing on the issue. for years republican lawmakers argued that border security must come before all else. today, secretary of homeland security janet napolitano was on hand to set the record
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straight. >> the border security first refrain simply is an excuse for failing to address the underlying problems. it ignores the significant progress and he was that we have undertaken over the past four years. our borders have in fact never been stronger. michael: under the obama administration, 409,000 illegal immigrants were deported last year and the number of border agents was doubled a fact not lost on protestors calling for an end to the deportations of undocumented immigrants in this country. joining me now is jacki petcheko welcome into the war room gabby. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to ask you first a little bit about united we dream. what was it about that group that brought you in there in the
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first place? >> well, i think that a lot of us undocumented people when we are in high school, we think we're alone. one of the things that brought us together was these organizations that we started to build on the local base. after he started realizing that actually we had not only a voice but also a powerful story to tell that we realized that it was important to start moving the agenda of not just the undocumented youth but also our families, and we thought that who best to go out and lobby and talk about this issue than the people affected by it. >> you know, and gabby, tell me a little bit about doing that, because, you know, there's a secrecy about being undocumented but there's a public persona you have getting involved with a group like
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yours. where is that line and when do you cross that line? >> my story's a little different than other undocumented youth because i actually started talking about my status when i was in high school. the way i started doing it was just telling people i didn't have papers, didn't really grasp, back then, we didn't of the term dreamer or undocumented. a lot of people said you don't have papers, but in our community, not having papers is something that brings a lot of pain brings a lot of shame but at the same time, it's a level of safety, and sharing your status and telling people you don't have papers, it's something that really scares our parents and really scares ourselves, because we don't want to confront immigration or the law and be represent rated and deported from this country, so we've come a very long way. now, we don't say it proudly what we do say this is part of who we are as human beings, as
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persons. we are not trying to hide. what we're trying to do is touch the hearts and minds of people across the country to realize that we're not the problem we're part of the solution, and like a lot of us and one of the things that yesterday in the state of the union the president mentioned was this word citizenship. to me, it was really important that he said citizenship doesn't even have to have legal status. for us, we do feel citizens and through united we dream and through the organizations that water a part of, we've been able to show that we're as american as apple pie and just hoping for that opportunity to have that paper that tells us that we're citizens. michael: some of the other words he used, he said things like stronger border security, learning english going to the back of the line behind people that came here legally. how did that make you and the people in your group feel when
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you heard him speak that way. >> yeah, so one of the things, that there's this notion that i think these lines actually hurt. number one is that the english right under the language. yes, my parents struggle with the language, my dad is more fluent than my mom. i sure speak english. the whole thing about this learning english number one there's this fear that america the identity of who americans are is going to be lost by immigrants, but we know that being italian american or irish american or celebrating for instance st. patrick's day or cinco de mayo doesn't take away the celebrations we have on the fourth of july and our barbecue. when i hear those things, to me, it's just code word for we're trying the appease some more
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conservatives that has these beliefs. >> so, you know, before i let you go, we talked about the president's speech last night. he were in the senate today, in the hearing room listening to what was binges. do you have a good feeling that there's going to be any kind of comprehensive reform very soon or do you think it's going to come in piecemeal in little bits answered pieces that they're going to vote up or down or are we going to see something major. >> i think we are seeing the push for what is the comprehensive. i actually do think that there is going to be a point in time where we are going to look at this piecemeal. i don't think about it as piecemeal. i think about it as stepping stones. sometimes these bills are too daunting for more conservative, the republicans, for instance. i think if we take it a step at a time, we can get there. i think being able to have some of these key things, making sure
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a deportations stop, that we realize it's not just about border security, but that 11 million people in this country are ready. i do think that we are going to get something. i don't foresee it being, you know, something big, even though i do hope that for my parents for my community's sake, that we look at the whole immigration piece in the 11 million. michael: thank you for sharing your amazingly but very american story with us today. we really appreciate it. >> coming up, republicans have been thirsty for a leader to rescue them from the arid flames of the dessert. he may not be all that, but at least he brought something to drink. that's right next here on the war room.
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michael: republicans call on florida senator marco rubio to respond to the president's state of the union address last night but this may be almost all people will remember. >> in the short time i've been here in washington, nothing has frustrated me more than choices like the president laid out tonight. michael: it makes me laugh every time. we all get thirsty so the water grab can be forgiven. other moments cannot. we captain allow that gulp to drown out the rest of the night. he attacked president obama's
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vision that government can does and should help people. >> there are valid reasons to be concerned about the president's plan to grow our government, but anytime anyone opposes the president's agenda, he and his allies respond by attacking their moatist. those of us that don't agree with him that we only care about rich people. >> he followed up his speech with a trip to the morning inosose. let's see if he cares about rich or poor people. >> i don't think the minimum wage law worse. i want people to make a lot more than $9. if you can't do that by mandating that in the minimum wage laws. that has never worked helping the middle class attain more prosperity. michael: there you have it. he thinks racing the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. if the middle class made $9 an hour, i would hate to think what
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the poor were making, but we do care about them, right? for deeper insight into his speech, we turn you to the man who wrote the book on marco rubio. manuel lloyd francia joins us. welcome back independence the war room. >> great to be back. michael: we'll get to gulp gate or the actual watergate in a little bit but did marco rubio do what he was asked to do by his party last night? >> you know, i thought i had reached a point where i would not be surprised at all by marco rubio, having been able to study a lot of his career. i was surprised at his tone in this speech. he's at his best when he is having a kind of soring rhetoric that inspires people. i was spiced to see him take a
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little bit of a whining tone is how i would put it when he complained about the president criticizing republicans for their positions. i mean, that's what happens in washington, one party lays out a position the other party criticizes it, they try to lay it out. i didn't expect that from him. he seemed very uncomfortable in the role of attack dog. >> which doesn't bode well for him as a national candidate where he will have to attack and attack and attack. i haven't i'll confess read your book, but followed rubio's rise. seemed like he was a good attack dog then. has he been sobered in his role as a senator? what has changed? >> we'll make sure to get you a copy soon. michael: ready to read it. [ laughter ] >> i think that there's a real pressure on marco rubio to be the voice of the republican party, and that's a tricky road for him to walk down.
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why? because there's pressure from the right wing of the party to, you know, did he despise everything obama says take a hardline on immigration. he's attempted to move toward the center, but when he does, he's often been slapped by that group, so he is still finding his way in this sort of new role that he has. it's a lot different to be the rising star, somebody who a lot of people have hope in, and to be the actual guy who's supposed to be delivering. >> and if he is to be the actual guy, as a lot of people whisper that he may be, how did last night's speech affect that? he was speaking more to iowa than anybody last night. i guess we shouldn't forget the water, but do those moments combine to hurt his chances as a national candidate? >> i think the luster is still
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on marco rubio he's still a person that the republicans place a lot of hope in, but he did not nail this one and this is a guy who has nailed a lot of speeches over his career. he made arguments that seemed a little weak, a little flimsy. he emphasized border security. the border is much more secure than ever. instead of talking about a more positive immigration agenda, he threw out the border security thing. i mean that was, i think a sign of him struggling to find the right voice on that particular issue that's just so critical for him and for the republican party if they want to overcome what happened in 2012. michael: absolutely. i was really surprised i'm glad you brought him up about what he
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said about immigration. this seemed to be his opportunity to embrace some of the things that the centered or left are talking about when it comes to immigration. let's talk a little bit about his going, you know, to the center or not going to the center where he has a chance to. today on fox and friends rubio had this to see about president obama's market driven climate change proposal. >> the government can't change the weather. we can pass a bunch of laws that will destroy our economy but it isn't going to change the weather. michael: so i mean, how is he going to win anybody in the middle or on the left as a national candidate with statements like that and statements like what he said about immigration last night? >> yeah, i think that that statement will only fuel the argument that he is anti science. you know he got into another tussle when he had questioned the age of the earth in an interview with g.q. magazine.
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this gets folded in with that by people who are going to make the argument that there's clear evidence of climate change and that he's sort of being a denier in that reward. all of these things get accumulated. opposition books are being built as we speak because the democratic party is concerned about someone like marco rubio and specifically marco rubio about being a threat at the national level to democratic control, and you can just see the research folks com pining all of this stuff and building a narrative that he's anti-science. michael: such interesting stuff. thank you for coming into the war room. up next, i am going to be honest. this whole senate confirmation process is turning into a mess for the president. we'll have the latest on all of that. brett erlich next.
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>> marco rubio and i have something in common, and it's not just boyish good looks. don't go away.
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michael: and now for a look at the best of the rest, the stories i don't want you progressives to miss on this fine wednesday evening. first up, the cabinet battles never ends. senate majority leader harry reid announced friday he'll hold a vote to end the discussion on hagels nomination, forcing the hand of those senators who threaten to delay a vote. current senators roy blunt and john cornyn remind me a lot of gum pee muppets and john mccain, who indicated he'd nominate hagel to the same post if he became president are leading the charge. here's senator blunt. >> you think there could be a
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delay you didn't this week that means 10 days. you say you think there's enough votes, 40 votes to delay. >> my believe is there are 40 votes, not to set that as the permanent standard, that says it's too quick the end the debate on this nomination. michael: it's unbelievable. the more information these senators claim to want is about hagel's financial history. considering that they're the party that otherwise relishes the anonymity of their super pac donors, they seem too interested in where the former republican senator got his money. >> now we're getting word another nominee will be held up. paul and told u.s.a. today he will consider filibustering the nomination of brennan to head the c.i.a. that's an oddly reasonable
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request from an otherwise completely unreasonable person. we'll see if the white house gives in. >> next, the bipartisan bump heard round the world. president obama is known for his sitting fist bumps giving the greetings to kids, soldiers, his wife and even the white house custodian. before last night's state of the union address, republican mark kirk who just returned to the hill after suffering a stroke offered out his fist to the president and then it exploded. kabl ax m. either illinois produces the coolest senators or kids just love politics. it's about high time someone with real power stood up for the porched lawmaker. with no one in power willing to embarrass themselves, he's going to have to settle for brett. calm down, everyone, brett's talking now.
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>> hi. by now, eve all seen the marco rubio speech last night and when he paused to take a sip of water. >> false choices like the president laid out tonight. >> yes it's funny that he stopped for water but there's something more important here. i side with mr. rubio. you see, we're members of a secret society known as public speakers with impulse problems, psip. sometimes we'll be in the middle of a sentence and we'll be headed off to drink water without knowing what we're doing. it's a very serious issue. would you say to an epileptic person please stop shaking or respond to go changes in light? you wouldn't. you would just suddenly confront them for something like that that they were born with?
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this is an issue of nurture. so stand with me and mr. rubio. when it comes to taking control of who we are and how we behave, some of us have less control than others. just be thankful that mr. rubio didn't as you have another symptom of this disorder, which is narcolep -- michael: thank you for joining us here in the war room. "young turks" is next. have a great night.
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